Comments for Maag Library Blog http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary Library News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:15:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc Comment on What’s New in Maag by frank elling http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-66 frank elling Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:56:05 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-66 Becky Roberts: As employee of YSU Magg Library one must speak the truth. The public has never had unlimited internet access. The public has defined limited to Academic and public service purposes as was previous policy and still is the policy. What changed was the process of timed access to the computers and the management demand of the public to declare research parameters for approval. What level of government intrusion to access is this particular demand violation of freedoms? Ms. Roberts, You are not really allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Why? Your employment is a conflict of actual citizen rights versus government limited--authoriaty! Government has no such freedoms/rights and so your opinion confuses the issue or you give by transfer of your rights and freedoms as a citizen to government as a private entity. YPU. The fact is: YSU students are public supported in the range of 3-5 thousand per year each. Also, no YSU student is ever denied access over a public visitor. The cost of public access is nearly nil. Why? The YSU Magg research employees are on duty over 50% of time with nearly no students in the research room. Ms. Roberts if yours and your kind want a private library then go to the banks and borrow private money for it, will you? Don't attempt to steal the publics' property, our intellectual property, or as a public government employee give citizen rights/freedoms to your GOV--private owner person. One more issue: Public education access is free for k-12 and 12-16 is public supported at about 20% of every class room hour. YSU employees get classroom access for free-don't you all? Becky Roberts:

As employee of YSU Magg Library one must speak the truth. The public has never had unlimited internet access. The public has defined limited to Academic and public service purposes as was previous policy and still is the policy. What changed was the process of timed access to the computers and the management demand of the public to declare research parameters for approval. What level of government intrusion to access is this particular demand violation of freedoms?

Ms. Roberts, You are not really allowed to have an opinion on this matter. Why? Your employment is a conflict of actual citizen rights versus government limited–authoriaty! Government has no such freedoms/rights and so your opinion confuses the issue or you give by transfer of your rights and freedoms as a citizen to government as a private entity. YPU.

The fact is: YSU students are public supported in the range of 3-5 thousand per year each.

Also, no YSU student is ever denied access over a public visitor. The cost of public access is nearly nil. Why? The YSU Magg research employees are on duty over 50% of time with nearly no students in the research room.

Ms. Roberts if yours and your kind want a private library then go to the banks and borrow private money for it, will you? Don’t attempt to steal the publics’ property, our intellectual property, or as a public government employee give citizen rights/freedoms to your GOV–private owner person.

One more issue: Public education access is free for k-12 and 12-16 is public supported at about 20% of every class room hour. YSU employees get classroom access for free-don’t you all?

]]> Comment on What’s New in Maag by frank elling http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-65 frank elling Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:18:33 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-65 Tim Seman is on the correct direction. Magg employees and confused management or Trustees of YSU are the blind leading the blind--by their own self-interest focus. Where's the knowledge fountain for the public? Is there a new 'N' word at Magg? For example: In 2006, YSU received 39 million dollars of educational taxes from the State of Ohio Public. What percentage of each paying students tuition costs is welfare for scholars? Federal monies? State and Federal access, reports, documents, etc. What reduction in staff did the new policy save monies for YSU from the UNEQUAL ACCESS process designed to actually eliminate the public? None. Is not the internet access and speed important factors to academic and public service research? Has YSU MAGG provided the public, State of Ohio and U. S. A. Constitutional Certification of this policy? In my opinion, YSU is bucking for a major lawsuit and deep public embaressment, as well as, an FBI investigation of Title 18 USA Code serious violation--"under the color of law". Magg management may be visiting Martha Stewart's old Federal digs! I bet they have public equal internet access at camp Fed. What is a PIGGAR? YSU or YPU? State or Private? Tim Seman is on the correct direction. Magg employees and confused management or Trustees of YSU are the blind leading the blind–by their own self-interest focus.

Where’s the knowledge fountain for the public? Is there a new ‘N’ word at Magg?

For example:
In 2006, YSU received 39 million dollars of educational taxes from the State of Ohio Public. What percentage of each paying students tuition costs is welfare for scholars? Federal monies? State and Federal access, reports, documents, etc.

What reduction in staff did the new policy save monies for YSU from the UNEQUAL ACCESS process designed to actually eliminate the public? None.

Is not the internet access and speed important factors to academic and public service research?

Has YSU MAGG provided the public, State of Ohio and U. S. A. Constitutional Certification of this policy?

In my opinion, YSU is bucking for a major lawsuit and deep public embaressment, as well as, an FBI investigation of Title 18 USA Code serious violation–”under the color of law”.

Magg management may be visiting Martha Stewart’s old Federal digs! I bet they have public equal internet access at camp Fed.

What is a PIGGAR?
YSU or YPU?
State or Private?

]]> Comment on What’s New in Maag by Tim Seman http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-64 Tim Seman Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:13:54 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-64 I stand on my statements. The current level of on-site public access to the catalog is insufficient for a publically funded state university. Perhaps others should decide the matter. I stand on my statements. The current level of on-site public access to the catalog is insufficient for a publically funded state university. Perhaps others should decide the matter.

]]> Comment on What’s New in Maag by Becky Roberts http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-63 Becky Roberts Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:44:55 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-63 I'm afraid I still don't understand your objection, Tim. Just as the public library does, we provide 24/7/365 access to our collection via the OPAC. Anyone can search MaagNet from any computer, anytime. I know the public library's computers are busy for most of the day, so I don't walk in expecting one to be free. I search the catalog and get the call numbers I want before I leave home, or I ask a staff person for assistance. With all of that available, even if I do need a computer on-site and have to wait for a few minutes for one to become available, I don't think that equates to being denied access to the collection. I’m afraid I still don’t understand your objection, Tim. Just as the public library does, we provide 24/7/365 access to our collection via the OPAC. Anyone can search MaagNet from any computer, anytime. I know the public library’s computers are busy for most of the day, so I don’t walk in expecting one to be free. I search the catalog and get the call numbers I want before I leave home, or I ask a staff person for assistance. With all of that available, even if I do need a computer on-site and have to wait for a few minutes for one to become available, I don’t think that equates to being denied access to the collection.

]]> Comment on What’s New in Maag by Tim Seman http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-62 Tim Seman Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:30:09 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-62 Becky: It is not with a sense of "entitlement" that I criticize current policy but with a clear understanding of what public service means and how access provisions can be written and made operational. I know that they can, but there needs to be the necessary and sufficient will to do so. I agree that YSU computer systems must be made secure. I also agree that the public doesn't have and should not expect, as you say, "free, unlimited access." But as a public institution YSU has to provide some level of access that indicates a proper balance has been found between security and service. We are asking that the current system be re-evaluated and that the network administrators, along with Maag leadership, devise a more open way for the public to enjoy a basic level of access to the library catalog. I've been a librarian for 11 years, and in my judgement a policy that provides only one, password-protected terminal for public access to the catalog is unreasonable and it can have a chilling effect on public use. One gets the impression from recent changes that the public are not wanted in Maag Library. Finally, you make references in your post to extreme positions or demands, none of which is accurate. I suspect that most of your public users would never expect free access to coursework or to participate in YSU student functions. But equating such expectation with access provisions to the many terminals in Maag Library to the catalog is unsound. And that is what I'm talking about here. I am not arguing for off-site access to JSTOR or any other subscription database. I am not asking for Internet access. I am only asking for quick and convenient access to a computer in order to inspect the collection. I used to enjoy such access in the library lobby (hint). I am an alumnus of YSU and Friend of the Library. I enjoy and appreciate the privilege of borrowing books from Maag. If some of your public patrons are too demanding (and I personally know some of them and realize that they can be irrational), and if they want free, unlimited access to the Internet and to a dizzying array of periodical databases and print materials, then simply send them across Wick Avenue to their public library where they will receive full access and professional service. If you are not familiar with our services, then please see www.libraryvisit.org. Also, there are still some librarians at Maag Library who can shed light on how a "Wick Avenue" collaboration enables and continually expands public access to all of the informational resources we are so very fortunate to have in Youngstown. Becky: It is not with a sense of “entitlement” that I criticize current policy but with a clear understanding of what public service means and how access provisions can be written and made operational. I know that they can, but there needs to be the necessary and sufficient will to do so. I agree that YSU computer systems must be made secure. I also agree that the public doesn’t have and should not expect, as you say, “free, unlimited access.” But as a public institution YSU has to provide some level of access that indicates a proper balance has been found between security and service. We are asking that the current system be re-evaluated and that the network administrators, along with Maag leadership, devise a more open way for the public to enjoy a basic level of access to the library catalog. I’ve been a librarian for 11 years, and in my judgement a policy that provides only one, password-protected terminal for public access to the catalog is unreasonable and it can have a chilling effect on public use. One gets the impression from recent changes that the public are not wanted in Maag Library. Finally, you make references in your post to extreme positions or demands, none of which is accurate. I suspect that most of your public users would never expect free access to coursework or to participate in YSU student functions. But equating such expectation with access provisions to the many terminals in Maag Library to the catalog is unsound. And that is what I’m talking about here. I am not arguing for off-site access to JSTOR or any other subscription database. I am not asking for Internet access. I am only asking for quick and convenient access to a computer in order to inspect the collection. I used to enjoy such access in the library lobby (hint). I am an alumnus of YSU and Friend of the Library. I enjoy and appreciate the privilege of borrowing books from Maag. If some of your public patrons are too demanding (and I personally know some of them and realize that they can be irrational), and if they want free, unlimited access to the Internet and to a dizzying array of periodical databases and print materials, then simply send them across Wick Avenue to their public library where they will receive full access and professional service. If you are not familiar with our services, then please see http://www.libraryvisit.org. Also, there are still some librarians at Maag Library who can shed light on how a “Wick Avenue” collaboration enables and continually expands public access to all of the informational resources we are so very fortunate to have in Youngstown.

]]> Comment on What’s New in Maag by Becky Roberts http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-61 Becky Roberts Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:20:31 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-61 As one of the staff members who monitors the use of our public access computer, I've had many conversations about this issue with members of the public, with varying degrees of civility. I understand that people are upset, but I have a problem with the fact that although people insist that as taxpayers, they should have unlimited access to a very limited resource, their sense of entitlement at YSU begins and ends with the library. No one, for example, believes that their tax dollars entitle them to walk into one of YSU's classes, or get in line for the buffet at a YSU banquet, yet the library is somehow holding out on them if we don't provide free, unlimited access to the internet. As one of the staff members who monitors the use of our public access computer, I’ve had many conversations about this issue with members of the public, with varying degrees of civility. I understand that people are upset, but I have a problem with the fact that although people insist that as taxpayers, they should have unlimited access to a very limited resource, their sense of entitlement at YSU begins and ends with the library. No one, for example, believes that their tax dollars entitle them to walk into one of YSU’s classes, or get in line for the buffet at a YSU banquet, yet the library is somehow holding out on them if we don’t provide free, unlimited access to the internet.

]]> Comment on What’s New in Maag by Tim Seman http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/08/24/whats-new-in-maag/#comment-60 Tim Seman Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:23:05 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=238#comment-60 Again, there seems to be a difficulty here. A public university ought (or must?) have greater access for the public (non-students, non-faculty, non-staff) to walk up to a computer and examine the holdings owned and shelved within the library. Having one, password-protected computer that's monitored by staff is not what I'd call access, at least not the level of access appropriate for a public university. This matter needs to be examined by the University and/or the Ohio Board of Regents. Again, there seems to be a difficulty here. A public university ought (or must?) have greater access for the public (non-students, non-faculty, non-staff) to walk up to a computer and examine the holdings owned and shelved within the library. Having one, password-protected computer that’s monitored by staff is not what I’d call access, at least not the level of access appropriate for a public university. This matter needs to be examined by the University and/or the Ohio Board of Regents.

]]> Comment on Maag Computers Updated by Paul Kobulnicky http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/05/13/maag-computers-updated/#comment-59 Paul Kobulnicky Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:45:41 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=194#comment-59 This upgrade enables us to conform to YSU network access standards. It is similar to most colleges and Universities. This upgrade enables us to conform to YSU network access standards. It is similar to most colleges and Universities.

]]> Comment on Maag Computers Updated by Tim Seman http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/05/13/maag-computers-updated/#comment-58 Tim Seman Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:43:22 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=194#comment-58 Why does this upgrade limit public access? Why does this upgrade limit public access?

]]> Comment on Change to “Off-Campus Access” by Tim Seman http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/2009/07/17/change-to-off-campus-access/#comment-57 Tim Seman Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:29:32 +0000 http://maagblog.ysu.edu/maaglibrary/?p=233#comment-57 As I understand this switch, then, Maag Library is merely bringing its services in line with policies and licenses. Understood. And how are we to understand the recent transition to in-house, Maag computer terminals whereby non-student access is now limited to one password-required work station near the reference desk? I see a pattern. As I understand this switch, then, Maag Library is merely bringing its services in line with policies and licenses. Understood. And how are we to understand the recent transition to in-house, Maag computer terminals whereby non-student access is now limited to one password-required work station near the reference desk? I see a pattern.

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